From a9e108ae9b1d35de4b30e7e893d4e4c5df03726d Mon Sep 17 00:00:00 2001
From: David Walter Seikel
Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2016 15:22:24 +1000
Subject: Added web site stuff, though more of a TODO.
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+Now that we have a web site, I should turn this into a real web site, huh?
+
+What is a real web site though? Well, the ideal would be to have it
+driven by C and Lua as part of SledjHamr. A default web site for the
+small default home, that supports the basics. It should look something
+like the IG site, but with user selectable colour, and a hell of a lot
+simpler to drive at the back end. That's gonna take a long time to
+write though, and likely depends on wasm becoming popular.
+
+An alternative is to take the IG web site, based on Drupal (Apache +
+PHP), cut it down to the basics, and present that as a working example.
+Then the user needs a LAMP or WAMP stack, plus it's slow.
+
+Middle ground might be to have a basic HTML backend for GuiLua in the C
+part, plus a simple web server. Matrix-RAD had that.
+
+
+
+What is a real web site though? Same question, but this time focused on
+the content. What content / functionality should the web site contain?
+There's several goals here.
+
+An important goal is that eventually it's all just part of the system,
+can be used in world via the usual GuiLua stuff, from a normal bloated
+web browser via wasm, or from a cut down web browser using plain HTML.
+
+Users control of their own world servers.
+
+Communications without starting up a proper extantz client. IM, forum,
+wiki, email (gulp), and the like.
+
+Actual SledjHamr.org site, for users and developers. So add source
+code, bug / feature trackers, support, etc.
+
+
+
+The rest is currently random thoughts while I get organised.
+
+The IG site redesign aimed to boil out some common stuff and simplify
+stuff. Mostly coz I noticed that it doesn't matter how easy to use your
+support system is, users will ask for support anywhere and everywhere
+that they can, with the possible exception of your actual support system.
+So, people spray stuff everywhere, why not just have a single place,
+then organise it later? So no forums or anything, it's all just one
+thing, call them convos. Then tag them later to sort things out. A tag
+cloud, and user creatable tags should round things out. So that takes
+care of forums, wiki, bug / feature trackers, and support.
+
+The only difference between an IM and a convo is that IM is real time, a
+convo is logged, though IMs can be logged as well, and convos can be
+almost real time. So bugger all really.
+
+Should be able to group the convos, to limit them to one or more groups,
+which takes care of the normal OS/SL group IM stuff.
+
+Convos and mailing lists should be two views of the same thing. Email
+is tricky to get right though, even for experts. An alternative to
+email is to pass email type messages between SledjHamr servers. So the
+convos become more mobile.
+
+Sooo, the users small builtin web server includes the world control, and
+convos stuff. This will work via plain ordinary HTML to start with, as
+well as Lua in the viewer, then Lua in the browser eventually. No
+email, that's too hard, but maybe later. Any account system should
+default to world owner created accounts only, no need to deal with
+spammers.
+
+The actual SledjHamr.org web site adds email integration, proper spam
+protection, random stranger created accounts, and source code.
+
+
+
+Soooo, what's it look like under the hood?
+
+
+The basic thing is the convo. Any user can start one, either public, or
+private to one or more individuals, and/or private to one or more
+groups. They can add whatever tags they want, if not it automatically
+gets "off topic" or something. They can allow others to edit the first
+post, thus it becomes a wiki with the "Talk" page simply comments
+following the initial post.
+
+Maybe an option to switch between "IM style" and "forum style"?
+
+The default view of these convos is a list of tags, sorted by
+popularity, looking like a more traditional forum. Should also be a
+"unread convos", also sorted by tags.
+
+All the usual style, colour, image, list, table, etc support should be
+allowed. Sigs are allowed, but only shown on the first post of that
+person on each convo.
+
+The world owner gets to bypass all privacy, just like everywhere else.
+Convo creators get to control privacy for their convos. Group owned
+convos should be possible, they would get one "chat room" convo for free
+according to OS/SL convention. Group owners get to control privacy of
+group owned convos.
+
+This should all run under Jabber / XMMP style protocols, as well as the
+web front end, in world front end, and probably RSS streams and such.
+Email, as mentioned, is left as optional, coz too hard.
+
+world server - Lua and C running server side, running plain HTML widgets, pumping them out a built in simple web server - simple web browser - plain HTML widgets.
+
+world server - ECMAScript web browser (no wams) - Lua.VM.js running DOM (or plain HTML?) widgets.
+
+world server - wams web browser - Lua and C running DOM widgets.
+ Probably don't want to be pushing the entire EFL down peoples networks for each web page. lol
+ On the other hand, likely this will be a single download to get GuiLua onto the browser, then it's all internal skang traffic.
+
+world server - extantz client - Lua and C running native EFL widgets.
+
+I think this is what the NAWS layer should morph into, it's NAWS at the
+top, but under the hood, gets converted to EFL, DOM, plain HTML, what
+ever.
+
+------------------------------------------------------------------------
+
+So, lots of work either way. How about we start with github stuff,
+since the source is there anyway, and work our way through the above at
+our leisure? Second step might be to port and simplify the IG webiste.
diff --git a/docs/index.html b/docs/index.html
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@@ -62,6 +62,6 @@ Welcome to the home of SledjHamr!
Authors.
We have a code repo on github now - https://github.com/onefang/SledjHamr with just a small README that points to this page. The experimental branch has all the actual code and stuff. We can finally start writing code. A local copy of the source can be found here.
-Now that we have a web site, I should turn this into a real web site, huh?
+Now that we have a web site, I should turn this into a real web site, huh? Until then, use the https://github.com/onefang/SledjHamr stuff.